Discussion

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  1. Bare Feet: I enjoy this site. I do however have concerns about the requirement that absolute nudes be bare footed. I don’t know where you live but there are many areas in the US where bare feet are actually dangerous. I have been to beach side parks with signs telling you to wear shoes because the asphalt parking lot and the sand is so hot your feet can be seriously burned in only a few minutes! The signage also points out your pets are in the same danger. Could a slight change be made allowing all nudes to wear shoes? I have walked on these hot sands and made a rush to find my sandals!

    • So with the caveat that rules could vary between jurisdictions (a great excuse for any inconsistency between captions), my take is that a regular permanude registration would not preclude wearing shoes. A strict registration (which I guess is what you meant by “absolute”) would, but as always, this is superseded by the safety exception. Just like a permanude can wear a coat to go out in a snowstorm, a strict permanude can wear shoes when walking on hot, glass-strewn, or otherwise hazardous terrain. In fact they can probably get away with using that exception anywhere outdoors. They would need to remove their shoes indoors though.

  2. does any one know about the website ENF CMNF is there any way its coming back if not are there any others like. its been down for a while now .

    • Last I heard, the mods have no idea what happened to the site. The admin just went missing.

      It was briefly some scammy “AI Dog” page, which suggests the site was hacked, sold, or they didn’t renew the domain name.

      Sadly, I think the site is gone forever. It’s a real shame since it had an excellent collection of videos and the forums were always busy.

      • Just seen this on another forum elsewhere:

        Wed Aug 20, 2025 9:39 am

        The guy responsible for the new site posted this at Discord:

        “I have received a DMCA takedown notice and a few other legal threats regarding some media on the current blog.

        The reportee also informed me that they had an ongoing legal battle with the previous admin. Since I dont know what else was illegally hosted by him, I’ve decided to shut down the entire blog for the time being.

        Thanks for your understanding.”

  3. Not many sites have the openness of this one the closest one I have found is deviantart.com Keep up the good work.

  4. Can employers “take away” the clothes of their employees as they deem appropriate, like parents do so with their kids?

    • That depends…

      Which PN “reality” the story is set in…
      Which jurisdiction and the local laws…
      The terms of the employment contract…

  5. So here’s a story I was kinda working on. Gonna post a bit of it here to see if anyone wants more or has comments and suggestions

    PT 1:

    “Yes, I can do this!” Amy thought to herself as she sneaked into class unnoticed. Amy had walked across the campus a whole 40 minutes before the start of class. At first she wasn’t sure she could do it the first day after sentencing. But this was it. It was her the last semester before she was to graduate. Not only could she do this, she kept repeating in her head, but she had to do this.

    Amy picked a seat near the back of the empty lecture room, her legs crossed at her ankles, leaning forwards with her breasts against the backs of her arms which were firmly on the desk in front. Maybe no one would notice the first few times, she thought. It would give her time to get used to it. The minutes seemed like hours as the rest of her class slowly assembled around in the room.

    Amy sat almost completely motionless for the 90 minutes as her professor gave his biology lecture. None of the class had seemed to notice. Maybe, just maybe, they thought she was wearing a bikini, she told herself, as the class shuffled out of the lecture one by one. Everyone except her professor that is, who seemed to be unusually dawdling and shuffling papers on his lecture desk at the front. Amy felt a lump in her throat as she waited for him to leave and the reality sank in a little deeper. How would she leave as unnoticed as she had sneaked in now the campus was sprawling with other college students?

    Then it happened.

    • Part 2

      “Amy, would you come see me please?” called her professor. Professor Michaels was a middle aged, slightly balding but always impeccably dressed man that Amy and the rest of the students liked very much. Any other day, being called to speak with him wouldn’t feel so threatening. Amy shook in her seat, not wanting to move. “Amy?” he called. “Is everything okay? Come down here, there are some papers we need to go over this morning” he said with a smile. “Nothing to worry about, I’m a biology professor after all and I’ve seen plenty of nude women in my lifetime”, he smiled.

      Amy shuffled to her feet, shaking a little as she stood up, using her arms to try and cover as she made her way down to the professors’ desk slowly but surely, one foot in front of the other. “That’s it” the professor smiled. “See? It’s not so bad, is it? You’re doing so well!, Amy. You should be proud.”

      Amy could feel herself start to blush. Proud? How could she be proud of being sentenced to two years of permanent nudity? Yet something inside her felt it. She could feel herself start swelling with pride. She did it. She went to her first class and made it through. Now she was walking towards her professor, who could see her. All of her. And somehow, that word, “proud”, felt like getting an A on a test. It felt like something she’d worked hard at, something all of a sudden even deserved. Her posture began to ease the closer she got to the front. Amy’s arms falling naturally by her side. Maybe it was all going to be okay, she thought.

    • “Amy? The school is going to need to have you sign these documents for us. They’re nothing to worry about, it just means that the school won’t be liable for any comments you might get from other students. Nothing to worry about, it’s standard stuff for these kind of things. We do the same with voluntary PNs too, and no one will know that you were sentenced because the school doesn’t give that information out, so as far as anyone will know, it’s a voluntary thing. Is that okay?” said the professor. Amy’s body tensed hearing someone else put it into words. She was a PN now whether she wanted to be or not. That was her. Amy the PN girl.

      “Take a seat, Amy” gestured the professor as he passed the paperwork towards her. “We just need you to sign here at the bottom with today’s date please”. Amy looked over the paperwork nervously, but it seemed to just be how Professor Michaels described it, so signed the bottom and laid the pen down on her professors desk. “Good. I’m sorry I had to ask you to do that here, but it’s school policy. I hope you understand” the professor smiled. Amy nodded “I understand, professor”.

      There was an awkward silence as the professor looked over the paperwork again, and smiling at Amy, said “That wasn’t so bad, was it?” Amy could feel her face start to smile, and her face became flush as she blushed realizing she was smiling back. How could she smile at such an embarrassing moment, naked in front of her professor like that? Amy’s mind started to wander. After she leaves the room, there will be others who see. People she doesn’t know. People judging her body.

  6. Hi, NWO. I’ve been following this site for over 2 years now, and I must say that this site is the closest anything has ever come to catering to the fantasies I’ve had. I had started to think that the internet will never have anything like this and had almost given up on the idea when I stumbled upon your site.

    I just want to say thanks. This means a lot to me. And in case no one has said it today, you’re doing an amazing job and we all want you to keep going.

    • A young lady called Amy does the best post’s in my personal opinion they’re short and to the point unlike others who waffle on for about 10 posts

      • Aww. Not so young anymore giggles, but thank you 🙂

        All I do is pick pics that look like the captions belong to. Like captions with shyness have to look shy, those proud of pn look proud, that kinda thing. And nothing with other women who look like models for that real world “what if this was real” vibe 🙂

        • It also kinda sorta helps that most write themselves if I’m totally honest. When I find a pic I can see what the woman is thinking and read her face and body language better than guys generally can. Like, embarassment and amusment kinda look the same in the face sometimes, but are like two way totally different things so that tells me what to write basically. But there are other posters on here who do way better captions and comments. Like vaguewriter has me in stitches sometimes, in a good way laughs. I’d love to do a collab with them, caption something more like a super short story

          • I know exactly what you mean. I haven’t submitted lately, but sometimes, as the old saying goes, “a picture tells a 1000 words”. And though I agree with you about you probably reading a woman’s body language better than a guy, I think I have become pretty good at it too. At least in captions/pics, if not IRL! 🙂

            Also, I 100% agree that your stuff is among the best on the site. If I’m being blunt, I personally could do without some of the “creepy uncle” stuff, but still, great work in general, Amy!

            • Awww ty smiles

              There’s a story behind that. I had a crush on my auntie’s husband laughs so kinda explored the “what if” here a little. I kinda make it clear tho that it’s not a blood relative cause that would be beyond icky for me

  7. thedvdking2000 has been commenting a bit too much, I think. Multiple dozens of posts at a time. I don’t want to say this but it’s a bit obnoxious.

    And who’s that guy who comments long German paragraphs in all-caps? I think I’ve seen that here before.

    • So I tried translating it and apparently it’s Dutch, not German. Brent Helderson is allegedly talking really disturbing shit I can’t write.

    • Agreed. Everyone has the right to free speech but that right comes with a responsibility to exercise it properly. Reams of two word posts, stuff that alludes to incest and super long posts in an impenetrable foreign language are hardly fair to the rest of us.

    • I have instituted a minimum comment length requirement mainly in response to the first guy. It doesn’t seem to have stopped him, but at least they’re comments with some minimal content now.

      As for the second… I donno. Don’t suppose there are any other Dutch speakers here? It would help to know whether the comments are as unintelligible in the original language as google translate makes me think, and if they do mean anything, WTF it is. All I get are a few repeated phrases like “fervent nudist girl”.

      • It’s some cannibalism shit. ‘Meisjesslachtenvleesvarkens’ is a made-up compound meaning ‘girl-sl##ghter-meat-pigs’. And stuff like, “I was raised to be sl##ghtered.” He also mentions cannibals in it, butchery-students, and whatnot. Finally, he concludes, “It’s all just a fantasy, of course.” Brian-dead individual.

    • Yeah, it’s nice to have lots of comments, and they are generally positive ones, too, but I agree: it’s obnoxious to read one or two words dozens of times within a few hours.

      I can’t understand the point behind the all caps Dutch (I also assumed German, for the record. Thanks for clarifying) posts either and am unsure why that’s been going on for so long? I thought it was mostly spam, personally? Is there any substance or point to it? I don’t want to hinder his form of expression simply for speaking a different language, but it seems pointless and frankly, is quite annoying to the rest of us.

  8. If anybody has any ideas for a caption but can’t find a photo to fit it You can just comment under here and I will take the photo and send it to you to be used

    I can do it indoors or outdoors.

  9. Recently discovered this site. Fun! At fetlife.com, I wrote a series about “The House” and found some ideas here that I’m going to incorporate in the rewrite I just started. I don’t have pictures, and some of the text is a little more hardcore that what you are accustomed to here. Not an apology, just a fact.

      • I went one extra step… As I was writing my fiction, which features PN strict nudity, I noted that nobody had pockets (duh!) to carry anything like IDs. So, all of my characters have a PN ID chip subcutaneously placed under the left arm, just behind the left boob. Now, the police only need run the scanner to see the individual’s registration.
        Then, it might also be possible to program the car to recognize specific IDs, instead of the driver having to carry that wireless fob.

    • Honestly it’s a bit of a plot-hole. It doesn’t seem practical to go through the courts for what should be family business, but if there’s no official record then police would just have to take any young person’s word for if that they’re naked for a punishment, which is kind of unsatisfactory too.

      One possible answer is there’s some kind of official app or website parents can log punishments in. I’m not sure I’m ready to call that answer canon, but you can certainly imagine that’s how it works if the inconsistency bothers you.

      • The idea of a Non-court-ordered PN data site where parents or other authorities could register PN punishments (or other PN orders such as body acceptance week or other college nude activities) makes sense in the general NWO setting. As this is generally thought of as a futuristic setting, you could figure that everyone has some online presence. (Not far off from that now.)

        The authority person would log in / set up account.
        Identify the PN order recipient(s)
        Select from applicable authorized authority options (parent, teacher…)
        Enter the applicable dates/times
        Select the extent of PN orders. (Topless, Bottomless, PN, Strict, ESPN, Exposed, Other with description…)

        For law enforcement to check, they would simply scan a digital finger print (since by now everyone is in the system from birth) and it would automatically list any active PN designations. This could be combined with any court ordered / registered designations for all-in-one enforcement.

          • Yes, an alternative better world or time-line, is what I imagine this is. One simple hop where a few decisions were made differently and we are there.

          • My thought of futuristic is that hopefully we’ll (sooner rather than later) get to this point or at least something similar.

  10. Hello, what is the name of this woman who stood by the sofa in 2017 and wrote: I registered last week and I had to replace my sofa. Leather just feels too uncomfortable on bare skin. I’m hoping that this fabric will be better. What is it? Thank you very much.

    • You could try taking a nude photo of yourself, adding a caption to it then submitting it to this site. If it gets posted then you will be naked in public every day.

  11. Not sure where the best place to put this is, but I wanted to say kudos for a great day of posts (It’s late evening on May 3rd where I am, for posterity.) Mostly submissions I guess, but in any event, it’s great to see several high quality posts in a short amount of time! I know I sometimes complain about certain things, and may have gone over the edge a time or two, but I do still enjoy most of the content on the page and am glad I didn’t abandon it completely. Cheers, and keep up the good work NWO and submitters!

    • Thank you. And to be clear I don’t mind negative feedback as such, I just wish everyone could restrain themselves from letting that turn into bickering with other users.

      • Formerly known as, yes. I stopped using that name here because I don’t use it anywhere else. So it’s “RadVicRad” for consistency’s sake.

          • GOWK24 is an old screen name based off of a nickname I used for years. I got sick of it, so I started changing it. This was among the last places I used it, but I figured I might as well. It’s nothing to do with this site or much of anything, really. Just didn’t make sense to use something out of date, IMO.

            For the curious, GOWK is short for a nerdy nickname I got years ago amognst my friends and it stands for “God Of Wrestling Knowledge” because I am absolutely obsessed with pro wrestling, WWE namely. I added the 24 as it’s my lucky number. It stuck like glue for over 20 years. I got tired of it and briefly got sick of wrestling, so it didn’t make much sense to continue it.

            “RadVicRad” with or without spaces, is a play on my actual name and is what I use on most sites.

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